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Offline Mary McManus

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Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« on: August 25, 2013, 06:04:59 PM »
My new submission rule is this ,
If a player cannot average 55k per level after level after L=5 and up the score does NOT qualify.
There are too many people running the boards just to simply place  and god help them if one of the more talented players that  connects with a L=22=1 game.it would be murder!


My rule would be to be able to average 55k per level starting at L=5 to qualify.this will all but eliminate the hacks that simply run the boards to get a score placement
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2013, 06:34:18 PM »
this is the one of the most retarded things ive read in a long time. why would you call anyone that enjoys playing donkey kong a "poser" or a "hack"? this community is full of great people no matter what their current PB is or how they choose to play within a tournament's rules. get real
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2013, 06:44:45 PM »
You do realize that originally Hank Chien than was a poser, and a hack since originally he ran the boards?  Also, if you just run the boards it's almost impossible to get anything better than a 35th place score.  So already in order to get a really, really good score you need to go the extra mile by getting the bottom hammer or barrel grouping.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2013, 06:47:29 PM »
My new submission rule is this

What would you require for the score at the start of Level 5? It wouldn't happen to be exactly 100,000 points would it? Because 100,000 + (55,000 x 17)= 1,035,000...plus whatever you squeeze out on 22-1. That would be a pretty convenient cut-off score for the hacks vs. champs.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 06:59:33 PM »
I just don't consider it unfair when some hack runs the boards and ends with a high 800k/low 900k game ( still a considerable accomplishment 15 ,20 years ago) and finishes higher than someone with a 1,050,000 or 1,100,000 pace game ending at 600k or 700k.

This might be the rule that lights a fire under Steve Wiebies and Billy Mitchelles butt to actually "play" for a record rather than just show up for a photo op and a kill screen. God knows they got paid enough for that fake DOC they concocted, they least they can do is try.

I'd rather see people try thier best than just place high.Ben Falls coul'dve won the last on, but unlike Billy and Steve,Ben actually played for as high as he could get.the breaks were against him. But  one canniot say he didn't try.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2013, 07:16:51 PM »
Did you seriously just call people posers posting as a woman? Douche.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2013, 07:24:44 PM »
P2dose I would hardly call my statement retarded..........especially since your WR in crazy Kong was almost beat by my 662,xxx game a few weeks ago at L=22-1 ( and yes I can clear the L=22-1 "Kill Screen" in crazy Kong for an extra 15k points  ending on the riviet board  at L=22-4) but this would've violated TG rules at the time.............but since TG is nolonger the official score keeper  I will assume employing the trick at L22-1 is now acceptable..........which I will use next time for an extra 15k points before the actual kill screen which is the L=22-4 rivets.
If anyone could understand the logic behind my statement I would've assumed it would be one of the higher ranking players such as yourself.


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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2013, 07:24:54 PM »
Settle down Tim.  ;D

Think of it as a battle of wits. It's part of the competition whether or not one wants to play it safe or risk it for more.

And, lets just be honest here... most people have the same innate potential to play at a 1m+ pace, but it's just a matter of time for them to tap into that potential. In this sense, those that actually can play at a 1m+ pace, actually have an almost 'unfair' advantage in that they have typically had more time of playing the game under their belt. Yeah, some of this time depends upon how diligent certain players have been at putting in the time, but, generally speaking, there still is the advantage. Some people have had decades of time to choose to play the game, others have only even known about the game for a few months. It doesn't make much sense to handicap even more the people that are relatively newer to the game.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2013, 07:36:21 PM »
I assume you are referring to the online 'open' tournaments.  Although it's not a bad idea in theory, there are many problems with it.  Ideas like this were tossed around for the first Kong Off but ultimately it was decided to make it highest final score regardless of pace.

First some people simply cannot play at this pace.  If you were to enforce a pace, it would exclude many people which somewhat defeats the purpose of an 'open'.

It would greatly complicate matters (refereeing would be a nightmare) and would create many 'what if' scenarios.  What if someone was averaging 55K per level until L21 when they got nervous and only got a 50K level 21.  Would that score be disqualified?

Also why 55K?  Why not 52.5K or 57.5K or 60K?  55K is somewhat arbitrary.  I'm sure Dean would love a 60K per level tournament.

In the end it becomes part of the strategy.  You have to figure out what's the highest pace you can finish a game within the time frame allotted.  It's not good strategy to play 'all out' for these tournaments.  I've seen Ben play at much higher pace deep into the game so even Ben was holding back in that game.  Was his game the 'best' game of the weekend?  Probably but he didn't finish it so he didn't deserve to win.  Same thing happened at KO1 and 2.  At KO1 Dean had a 900K game on pace to beat me but he didn't finish it and at KO2 Dean and I both had 900K games on pace to beat Jeff.  Were they better games than the winning games?  Maybe but by the rules they didn't deserve to win.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013, 07:42:12 PM »
My rule would be to be able to average 55k per level starting at L=5 to qualify.this will all but eliminate the hacks that simply run the boards to get a score placement
This seems way too lenient to me.  I'm thinking the rule should be to average 60K per level with a 140K start.  Anything less than that is 2nd tier at best.

But seriously, high score wins.  Is that so hard to understand?  If you can play at a higher pace, and sustain it without dying, you'll score higher.  If you can't and score lower, you lose.  At this point there is enough talent that someone who just runs boards isn't going to even win one of the online qualifiers, much less the Kong Off main events.

DK actually has a great event now, the Kong-Off, to "separate the posers from the actual champs".  If you're an actual champ show up, delivery under pressure on a real cabinet without much time, and beat the best.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013, 07:45:39 PM »
I will preclude my statement by saying that your OP (original post) was easily the most shortsighted and arrogant thing I've ever heard, so I doubt you will value the input of a "hack" whose pb was achieved just running the boards...

I scored a 690,900 at over 1.035M pace in the WCQ2 and THAT WAS MY CHOICE.

I CHOSE to play at a high pace
I CHOSE to potentially lose to people of lower skill level
I CHOSE to go big and increase the level of difficulty of my game
I CHOSE to accept the fact that I would likely be beaten by less skilled individuals, simply due to statistics.

If you CHOOSE to play at that high of a pace and come up short, then maybe you just aren't good enough.  That's how I felt, after I didn't get 1.035M+ in the WCQ2. 

Rather then directing your self-dissatisfaction outward on the community, perhaps try putting it toward something PRODUCTIVE or POSITIVE, such as figuring out what kept you from reaching level 22 in your WCQ2 attempts. 

All you had to do was make it to the end, and then you wouldn't have a soap box to stand on here,  DO YOU SEE THE IRONY OF YOUR RIDICULOUS SUGGESTIONS. Just play a game to the end and let your SCORE DO THE TALKING.

I in no way support the separation of the DK community, you trying to tell someone how to play is SOCIALISM.  From now on mary, I suggest we should only count scores from you that were achieved at a scoring rate of greater than 58K per level after level 19, unless you can show you are wearing a dress, then I will accept 57K, but the dress must be yellow and ITS A GIVEN THAT YOU MUST GO FOR TOP SHELF and your computer monitor can't be sideways, etc... 

The above statement is about as logical as your OP.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 08:40:00 PM »
I am an actual champ, I actually "earned" my place in the games history unlike Steve Wiebie who shows up with his movie pals and simply buys it like a loaf of bread or carton of milk and exploits it for his own gain.

 Walter, Billy and Steve Saunders were too busy cashing their payoff checks to do any fact checking or to even care. Keep in mind these are the same people who claim to be "gaming historians"...(yea go figure)

I was playing the game long before it became popular and trendy thanks to the fraudulent DOC.

Its sad to see such a blind cult following. But guess what, when the KoK movie crooks want to re-boot the subject material, its going to be someone else with the higher DK score  that gets shafted next time with ........."We just  can't verify Hank or Deans score as they are constantly disputed and we have no way to contact them).......... meanwhile Billy and Steve will be cashing their checks and not care................yes history will repeat itself.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
I am an actual champ, I actually "earned" my place in the games history

... by running boards.
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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2013, 09:11:37 PM »
I am an actual champ, I actually "earned" my place in the games history unlike Steve Wiebie who shows up with his movie pals and simply buys it like a loaf of bread or carton of milk and exploits it for his own gain.

 Walter, Billy and Steve Saunders were too busy cashing their payoff checks to do any fact checking or to even care. Keep in mind these are the same people who claim to be "gaming historians"...(yea go figure)

I was playing the game long before it became popular and trendy thanks to the fraudulent DOC.

Its sad to see such a blind cult following. But guess what, when the KoK movie crooks want to re-boot the subject material, its going to be someone else with the higher DK score  that gets shafted next time with ........."We just  can't verify Hank or Deans score as they are constantly disputed and we have no way to contact them).......... meanwhile Billy and Steve will be cashing their checks and not care................yes history will repeat itself.

Dude, you arent the champ of shit. Your score that got dropped from KoK has been topped by at least 35 players, probably over 100 from BITD...

You are a cry baby and as you can see from the overwhelmingly negative response to your first ever post here, The DK community is above you and your cry baby bullshit.

Grow up. If you want to be part of this new group and be accepted you will have to change your tact, if not you'll be back playing in your basement in your tightie whities, submitting tapes of scores nobody cares about to get yourself a sweet 20th place...

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Re: Seperating the posers from the actual champs
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2013, 09:23:53 PM »
I am sorry that you are upset about what happened to you. I empathize with you. I would not want that to happen to me. Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done about what happened in the past. It happened. It had positive and negative effects. We must embrace the value that is there, the good that has been done, and forgive where we have been overlooked. But looking forward, what can we do about that?

First, we must get passed the old emotions and embrace the facts. I don't think there is a single person in this community that does not understand what happened, and who can truly appreciate the fact that you once held the World Record. This community is evidence-based and historical in all that it does. The history of the World Record is definitely recognized by us as noted in this blog spot post: http://donkeykongblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/donkey-kong-world-record-history.html.

Second, we will only draw negativity to ourselves if we beginning speaking in the manner as is contained in this original post. It is unclear what is meant by a submission rule. Are you talking about TG, or the High Score Lists that I manage, or the open tournaments?

Third, I don't think of the community as a blind cult following lies. I think of us as enjoying a game, and spending time together while doing it, making friends, and coming together for a common purpose. I created the High Score List because I wanted to support the hobby, I wanted the girls to look at names on the High Score List and say "hey, I see you are good at Donkey Kong". In reality, I wanted to support people who liked the game.  I didn't care about their pace, their high score, or their skill level. I cared about them and that is where it starts. Once I got to know people, and connect with them, I began to think of ways that I could help enhance their enjoyment of Donkey Kong. So I created the high score lists to help people track their progress, I created training videos to assist people with new ideas, I am creating a website to further give to the community as a whole. Serving people, making friends, enjoying healthy competition, encouraging one another... this is what I think we are about.
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