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Title: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 13, 2017, 07:15:16 PM
There are 14 people who have gotten 1.1 million in Donkey Kong.   I still see that score as an amazing accomplishment.  So my question is, what other scores are equal to that?
So here's where I would put what might be equivalent scores.
925k in  Ms Pac Man
3 million on Junior Pac Man
800k for Robotron tournament settings
1.325 million in Donkey Kong Junior
10 million easy settings for Donkey Kong 3
750k in Crazy Kong
1 million in Galaxian
2 million in Missile Command
10 million in Galaga

Ok, that's my list.  How about yours? :)
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Barra on October 13, 2017, 10:47:37 PM
54,500 on stocker Kappa
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: QAOP Spaceman on October 14, 2017, 01:35:58 AM
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Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 14, 2017, 02:28:44 AM
Spaceman, this is just a fun mental exercise thread.  Don't get sanctimonious on me, and take a dump on it.
By the way you can compare apples to oranges with my line of thinking.
How many apples do you need in order to have the same amount of vitamin c as one orange.  Holy cow, I just compared apples wicth oranges, and it actually worked.
So I would like it if you wouldn't take a dump on my threads like this?  Can you PLEASE do that.  Let me be me without rejecting my thoughts, and ideas.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: marky_d on October 14, 2017, 05:10:14 AM
I believe 1 million in Galaxian is significantly more difficult than 1.1m on DK.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: xelnia on October 14, 2017, 05:37:54 AM
I believe 1 million in Galaxian is significantly more difficult than 1.1m on DK.

Same with 3 million on Jr. Pac.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: SanTe on October 14, 2017, 06:19:43 PM
66k on Pole Position.  Only nine people documented to have done it.  I'd be #10 if I'd quit being lazy about recording, but hey, my photograph is more evidence than ever existed for the top 2 scores on this title, so there is that.  Got my third (and best) 66k score today on my first credit after not playing at all for three weeks:

(https://www.klovimg.com/images/2017/10/14/PolePosition660602017-10-14.jpg)

Got 66,000 on April 9 of this year, then 66,010 on September 7, then 66,060 today.  At least I'm consistent.  ;D  In any event I was only sixteen hundredths of a second away from tying Graham Ogilvie, who I know has been playing Pole Position seriously for at least a decade.

There are a dozen or more very talented players in the competitive CAG hobby that have scored in the 65,5xx to 65,8xx range (John McAllister, Steve Wagner, and Matt Hall among them, and a few I've seen on KLOV), enough for me to think that 66k is noteworthy.  Even better, it's a super fun game that never gets old or tedious.

A few others based on nothing other than my general observations over the years:

860k on Crystal Castles
4.5M on Dig Dug
230k on Arabian
800k on Wild Western

Well actually, personal experience with those last two.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: GalacticDancin on October 14, 2017, 09:29:02 PM
66k on Pole Position.  Only nine people documented to have done it.  I'd be #10 if I'd quit being lazy about recording, but hey, my photograph is more evidence than ever existed for the top 2 scores on this title, so there is that.  Got my third (and best) 66k score today on my first credit after not playing at all for three weeks:


Got 66,000 on April 9 of this year, then 66,010 on September 7, then 66,060 today.  At least I'm consistent.  ;D  In any event I was only sixteen hundredths of a second away from tying Graham Ogilvie, who I know has been playing Pole Position seriously for at least a decade.

There are a dozen or more very talented players in the competitive CAG hobby that have scored in the 65,5xx to 65,8xx range (John McAllister, Steve Wagner, and Matt Hall among them, and a few I've seen on KLOV), enough for me to think that 66k is noteworthy.  Even better, it's a super fun game that never gets old or tedious.

A few others based on nothing other than my general observations over the years:

860k on Crystal Castles
4.5M on Dig Dug
230k on Arabian
800k on Wild Western

Well actually, personal experience with those last two.

Congrats.  whats your HS on the Vectrex version?
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 15, 2017, 02:15:53 AM
Hmm, interesting on Galaxian.  I played the MAME game about 250 times, and the best I could come up with was 50k.  So yeah, it might be harder to get a million on Galaxian.
Jr. Pac Man deserves an asterisk though.  There are no recorded full games 1.5 million or larger.
If Abdner were ever to bust out a full 3 million point video, I am pretty sure people would copy the patterns, or even the method, and getting 3 million on Junior Pac Man would be much easier.  Still would be super hard, but not as hard as creating your own patterns.
Pole position I know enough to think getting 66k is much easier than 1.1 million on Donkey Kong.
I had 12 games to focus on, and I still got 62,460 on the game.  I basically skipped the hard wheel turn on the second, third, and fourth laps.
Give me all day with the machine, and I could probably get a run with all hard wheel turns, and I'd get a whole lot higher than my BOTA score.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: SanTe on October 15, 2017, 07:20:48 AM
Pole position I know enough to think getting 66k is much easier than 1.1 million on Donkey Kong.

Okay let's see it.  Put up or shut up.

I had 12 games to focus on, and I still got 62,460 on the game.  I basically skipped the hard wheel turn on the second, third, and fourth laps.  Give me all day with the machine, and I could probably get a run with all hard wheel turns, and I'd get a whole lot higher than my BOTA score.

This shows just how little you know about the game.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: WCopeland on October 15, 2017, 07:23:27 AM
What's interesting is neither one of you have a 1.1m Donkey Kong score, yet are making sweeping statements about your perceived difficulty of said score.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: serphintizer on October 15, 2017, 08:59:24 AM
What Wes said.

I find it funny how some try to bring down (whether directly or indirectly) a 1.1 million DK score. It is almost like they compare it to their pet subjective oranges in order to make themselves feel just a little bit better for a time.

Donkey Kong is the gold standard; and a 1.1 is a world-beater type accomplishment (in my totally unbiased and factual opinion). :)

So, having said all that, if we were to compare apples to apples, the only thing comparable to a 1.1 million DK score would be cracking the top five in Carnival and Black Widow. Kappa
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Barra on October 15, 2017, 10:54:46 AM
There just isn't enough data available to make most of these comparisons.

You say 10m on DK3 but you're the only person that will probably ever topple that mark. Next best isn't even 1/3 of that.

800k on robotron isn't comparable either. There isn't one similarity between the two games. One takes 10 minutes one takes 3 hours. Almost safe to say no one will ever do both (unless I'm missing someone here)

3m on jr pac, only 1 person ever done that and the rest aren't close.

In reality you need, at the very least, 2 people who have done both to even start making comparisons. As I said, not enough data here.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 15, 2017, 02:58:52 PM
Ok, to be honest I think Barra has a point.  Just not enough information.  Is a certain score an outlier or is it simply not enough competition.  You never truly know until more competition comes.
As far as Wes.  Yes, you have a point about neither of us having 1.1 million, and none of us truly know because neither has reached the mountain top we are arguing about.  Still, lest I remind you, you have said in the past that 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior is equivalent to 1.1 million on Donkey Kong despite never having hit 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior.
Lastly, Spaceman is right in a way about apples, and oranges, but it's not how most people think.
The main problem is none of us have the same brain.  Meaning that, what one finds easy, the other finds hard.  For instance it was a long journey to reach 1.3 million.  It took years.  Mike Kasper, and Corey Chambers did this in a matter of six to nine months.  However, both have struggled with Donkey Kong 3.  Something I don't find much of a problem.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Barra on October 15, 2017, 03:23:25 PM
What we can do is make comparisons using accomplishments we've actually achieved. They're a much more accurate measure, but keep in mind mileage will vary;

DK KS ~ 1m Galaga
DK 1m ~ Galaga KS
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 15, 2017, 03:26:30 PM
What we can do is make comparisons using accomplishments we've actually achieved. They're a much more accurate measure, but keep in mind mileage will vary;

DK KS ~ 1m Galaga
DK 1m ~ Galaga KS
Marathon or Five man?
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Barra on October 15, 2017, 03:30:21 PM
What we can do is make comparisons using accomplishments we've actually achieved. They're a much more accurate measure, but keep in mind mileage will vary;

DK KS ~ 1m Galaga
DK 1m ~ Galaga KS
Marathon or Five man?

Hm probably 1m 5man and marathon ks

5 man ks could be like DK 1.1 but haven't got the latter so....
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: WCopeland on October 15, 2017, 05:41:37 PM
As far as Wes.  Yes, you have a point about neither of us having 1.1 million, and none of us truly know because neither has reached the mountain top we are arguing about.  Still, lest I remind you, you have said in the past that 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior is equivalent to 1.1 million on Donkey Kong despite never having hit 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior.

I appreciate your attempt at ad hominem, but it doesn't really change anything.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on October 15, 2017, 06:36:56 PM
As far as Wes.  Yes, you have a point about neither of us having 1.1 million, and none of us truly know because neither has reached the mountain top we are arguing about.  Still, lest I remind you, you have said in the past that 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior is equivalent to 1.1 million on Donkey Kong despite never having hit 1.3 million on Donkey Kong Junior.

I appreciate your attempt at ad hominem, but it doesn't really change anything.
Ok, you got me, that was bad form for an argument.  I should have added, "so why the change of heart?" 
Then, I'm fleshing out your thought process, and I get a better understanding where you're coming from. My bad.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: f_symbols on October 15, 2017, 07:55:50 PM
What's interesting is neither one of you have a 1.1m Donkey Kong score, yet are making sweeping statements about your perceived difficulty of said score.

Vg
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Scoundrl on October 16, 2017, 07:53:38 AM
What's interesting is neither one of you have a 1.1m Donkey Kong score, yet are making sweeping statements about your perceived difficulty of said score.

My high DK score is only in the 700's but I have a very good idea of what it takes to score 1.1 million on DK. I believe Chris and George both have the same understanding. We have been actively watching and following you elite DK players for years, we know what it takes.

I think the 66k on PP and 4.5m on dig dug are a little light. I'd say you'd have to kick PP up to 66.5k and dig dug up to 5m+

-Ken
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: TheSunshineFund on October 16, 2017, 10:22:57 AM
602,130 on Vanguard is the absolute equivalent of 1,102,100 on DK.  This is factual when you take into account the fact that both have vertical monitors and some type of arcade music that plays. 
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: johnmcallister on October 16, 2017, 03:06:39 PM
Wagner what are you talking about, go back to Kangaroo :)   

Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: TheSunshineFund on October 16, 2017, 04:02:54 PM
God I fucking love me some kangaroo
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: f_symbols on October 16, 2017, 05:15:11 PM
602,130 on Vanguard is the absolute equivalent of 1,102,100 on DK.  This is factual when you take into account the fact that both have vertical monitors and some type of arcade music that plays.

 Kreygasm
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: dnickolas on October 25, 2017, 05:16:23 PM
When the scores happened matters. If I ever get 1.1 itís because I got a crazy head start with strats others developed/discovered. Not that I will, but you get the idea.

A 5 minute smb run would have been amazing in 1988, not so much now.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: spectre on November 21, 2017, 01:59:36 AM
Tetris the Grand Master 3: Terror Instinct

Getting the Grand Master Grade (GM) in the game is rediculous. In earlier TGM games you had to meet certain score and time criteria to reach the GM grade but they took it to another level in this game. Here's an explaination of how to get the GM grade in Tetris the Grand Master 3: Terror Instinct:

"If the player exhausts the potential of all three grade systems (by reaching an S9 internal grade, attaining all nine Section COOLs, and earning at least six grade points in the invisible roll), the player will still only be awarded MasterM. The GrandMaster grade can only be first awarded through a Promotional Exam. Given the requirements to receive an exam, the player's best four performances in their last seven games must all be GrandMaster-worthy. Finally, in addition to clearing enough lines in the staff roll to get GrandMaster, the player must also survive it to pass the exam.

It is not necessary to be currently qualified MasterM in order to receive a GrandMaster promotion.

Once the player has a qualified class of GrandMaster, then the grade can be awarded in normal play, rather than being 'invisibly' converted down to MasterM. However, if the player is later demoted from GrandMaster, they must receive and pass a Promotional Exam again to return to receiving GrandMaster grades."


In order to get GM you have to have 4 games, out of your last 7, that are GM worthy meaning being stupidly fast. Score a lot of points and clearing the invisible tetris section during the credits. This opens up for you exam and you have to do this crazy feat once more to obtain the GM rank.

Only 6 people have done this and only 1 of those are non-japanese.
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: homerwannabee on November 21, 2017, 04:55:22 AM
To be honest, what you described comes off more as a 1.2 million Donkey Kong score for Tetris Grandmaster 3
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Verminator on November 23, 2017, 09:28:43 PM
90 life ROM freeze on Frenzy before 500,000
60,000 on fast bullets Berzerk
250,000 on Crazy Climber
Perfect score on Ms Pac Man after Level 6
Passing any invisible, reverse gravity level on Gravitar
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: syscrusher on November 25, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Passing any invisible, reverse gravity level on Gravitar

Gravy  Kreygasm
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: Verminator on November 26, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
I know... I have seen you do it.  <gasp>
Title: Re: What's equivalent to a 1.1 million DK score in other Arcade games?
Post by: TheSunshineFund on November 26, 2017, 04:48:22 PM
250,000 on Crazy Climber

Watery gravy.