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Points available from the suicide trick in DK3
« on: October 19, 2017, 06:02:12 PM »
For those that don't know, the suicide trick is where you kill your man at the very end of the gray board in order to get the gray board bonus, and also get the super spray on the gold board.  I decided to count on how many points can be had this way if EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT.  So that means no early deaths on the gray board, and getting the super spray in a timely manner on the gold board.

OK, time to do the math.
Gray board bonus 7500+the 5 potted plants(500) + 5000 perfect bonus= 7500+2500+5000=15,000
Gold board bonus 5000+the 5 potted plants(500)s+ 6 blue moths(300) + 2 worms(300)+5000 perfect bonus=5000+2500+1800+600+5000=14,900
Blue board bonus 7500+the 5 potted plants(500) + 5000 perfect bonus=7500+2500+5000=15,000
Gray board bugs 4 queen bees(400)+8 blue moths(300)+8 yellow moths(700)+12 beetles(700)=1600+2400+5600+8400=18,000
Grand total=15,000+14,900+15,000+18,000=62,900
So optimally you can get 62,900 per sacrifice of men.
Of course things get screwed up along the way.  flowers get stolen, and you don't get the full bonus because you die early.  So a more reasonable average is going to be around 55,000.
So let's say you have a 5 man 400,000 point start.  That means you have 32 men left.  If you can average 55,000 a man through sacrifice you can get 400,000 + 32 times 55,000= 400,000 +1,760,000 = 2,160,000
So basically the most you really should expect from the sacrifice technique is about 2,160,000.  Though you lose an extra 55,000 points every time you die twice on the gray board.  So 2 million is possible if you die twice on the gray board 3 or less times.
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Re: Points available from the suicide trick in DK3
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 06:24:45 PM »
Are point values and # number of bugs constant on each difficulty?

I worked this same thing out a couple of weeks back and came out to about 2.8m in a perfect run. Wasn't as precise on the bugs and was pretty generous on timer bonuses and starts.
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Re: Points available from the suicide trick in DK3
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 07:25:56 PM »
Are point values and # number of bugs constant on each difficulty?

I worked this same thing out a couple of weeks back and came out to about 2.8m in a perfect run. Wasn't as precise on the bugs and was pretty generous on timer bonuses and starts.
Not too sure.  It maybe 31 bugs lower difficulty, but I suspect it's 32 bugs all across.  One thing to know about the hardest difficulty.  The timer runs down faster.  You won't be able to get the same bonus just because of that.   But hardest is hardest.  If you can get over 1 million points on that difficulty on marathon you're doing amazingly well.
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Re: Points available from the suicide trick in DK3
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2017, 02:22:48 AM »
I like the fact that even if you do the sac technique perfectly you can't get to the RBS. Makes it that much more impressive. 1m is realistically a bit low even on hard
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Re: Points available from the suicide trick in DK3
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 06:30:50 AM »
I like the fact that even if you do the sac technique perfectly you can't get to the RBS. Makes it that much more impressive. 1m is realistically a bit low even on hard
Have you tried hardest Andrew?  One million on hard isn't so hard.  Getting a million on hardest is another level crazy hard.  Just getting the super spray on the gold board on board 29 and after is a challenge in itself.  The clock goes faster.  Donkey Kong slides down those ropes.  And if you're not on point, the game will kill you.
So don't confuse hard with hardest.  They are two different animals.  As far as I know, I'm the only one whose hit one million on hardest.  13 people have done hard.  Again.  Just try hardest.  If you can get 500k on hardest you're doing better than 1 million on hard.
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