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Offline Adam_Mon

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Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« on: July 09, 2017, 01:57:31 PM »
A few years back Jeff Willms highlighted a move on the 5th girder where he back jumped a barrel as it was decending down kongs ladder and then back jumped it again gaining 200 points from an otherwise 100 point scenario. For quite a long time now I have been implimenting it into my games on the long ladders as an opportunistic pointpressing move usually pulling it off if there are no available barrel groups (or if something unsteers) etc.

The other day I tried to do it on the third girder left broken ladder and the second back jump lead me straight off the end of the girder and it wasn't until Dean mentioned in the chat that if I straight jumped the second jump I'd have survived.
That got me thinking about the move Jeff showed on the 5th girder years ago, the biggest problem with it was that it leaves you open to the wild on the second back jump, but utilizing the back jump, straight jump it removes the danger entirely.

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This leech is proving to be a powerful move that alot of people could benefit from, It's basically like the top girder double back jump but can be used in grouping combinations and on any long ladder.

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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2017, 02:28:53 PM »
That Willms jump into WB leech is so sick Kreygasm
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2017, 03:03:59 PM »
This is very cool... I wonder if it could be implemented into regular L05+ grouping safely?  <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn>
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2017, 03:37:04 PM »
This is very cool... I wonder if it could be implemented into regular L05+ grouping safely?  <popcorn> <popcorn> <popcorn>

Absolutley, off the top of my head you could use it while grouping the 5th girder on lvl 5, we often get that single barrel that won't have a chance of falling into a group so you could turn that 100 into 200.

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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2017, 03:45:58 PM »
Could add 20k to a full game

How risky is it? That straight jump looks pretty tight
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2017, 04:00:59 PM »
No more difficult than the double back jumps on the top girder (andrew gardikis jumps?) or the top shelf, I died a good bit in the beginning but have it down pretty solid now. I'm at a point where I'll regulalry incorporate it into my barrel boards, a solid place to use it is right at the beginning of a barrel board (2nd girder long ladder) while waiting for the fire to climb and then I'll use it on long ladders in the transistion provided it does not interfere with normal grouping. 5th girder is where it comes in handy though, cash in on those single ungroupable stragglers.

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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2017, 06:11:35 PM »
I used to use the two back jumps on the long ladders (especially the 2nd girder one) a lot back when I played more. That second jump as a straight jump seems a bit too risky for me in terms of using it the entire game (much like the top girder double leech), but it could be a viable early game strategy. Big starts? Lovit?!  Kreygasm
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2017, 06:33:19 PM »
Could this be combo'd into a double barrel leech somewhere? To get 300 points off the same barrel Kreygasm
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2017, 03:41:57 AM »
Could this be combo'd into a double barrel leech somewhere? To get 300 points off the same barrel Kreygasm

Yes, even 3 barrels for 2x500 on lower girders provided they were stacked neatly. steering all 3 though  <mad>

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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2017, 10:38:47 AM »
Oh My God  <gasp>
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2017, 10:56:27 AM »
I'm probably wrong... but isn't this technique alone more efficient than standard grouping?
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2017, 11:01:51 AM »
I'm probably wrong... but isn't this technique alone more efficient than standard grouping?

I have not done the math, but I certainly hope not, there is an artistry to regular grouping that I would hate to see die out  BibleThump but if its true I blame Jeff Willms and Dean  Kappa

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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2017, 11:05:44 AM »
With rejumps factored in it's probably not more efficient, but if one didn't do rejumps on the girder below I have a gut feeling this is more efficient. Would be very curious to see the math
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2017, 11:11:26 AM »
I'm also wondering what a best case, worst case, and avg case with this technique is in terms of a barrel board score. Could a 14k barrel be an avg case? If the barrel average of a game can be pushed to a little over 14k reliably with this technique then a score of 1.3 million is technically possible.
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Re: Jeff Willms Leech revisited
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2017, 11:56:49 AM »
Could this be combo'd into a double barrel leech somewhere? To get 300 points off the same barrel Kreygasm

Yes, even 3 barrels for 2x500 on lower girders provided they were stacked neatly. steering all 3 though  <mad>

Although what you said would be outrageous Kreygasm I actually meant comboing into a double back jump like what people do on the top girder. AFAIK there's a certain spot on each girder this is possible, not just the top?
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